I agree with Leonidas300 about the adventure logs and I like the whole premise of the campaign. From one Oldskool DM to another, across the bridge between Pathfinder and D&D 4e, I salute you!

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I am working on my 1st 3D version of a map. Hopefully it comes out pretty good and will be used in this current adventure. Wish me luck…

Posted for Al (you put this in the adventure log) :

As i think on it more and more I’m very upset with how “Turn Undead” is within 4e. It does nothing to “Turn” the undead. it holds an undead.

Here is what I propose:

Encounter (Special) * Standard Action

Close Burst 5 (10 at 11th lvl and 15 at 21st lvl) Target: One or more Undead in the burst.
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You glow with the radiance of your deity’s power as it is channeled through you searing the undead.
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Keyword: Channel Divinity, Divine, Implement, Radiant

Attack: Wisdom vs Reflex

Hit: 2D10 + Wisdom modifier radiance damage. Then target then must make a immediate save. If target saves, target is slowed until end of your next turn. If target fails it’s save, target flees from you at a run.

Miss: Target/s takes just half damage. No other effect.

Special: You can use this power twice but only once per round. At 21st lvl you gain the ability to use this power a third time during an encounter.

Awesome campaign – I really like the adventure logs

One of my biggest peeves with 4E is that it IS so abstract, sometimes to the point of being ridiculous. I think the basic concept of the skill challenge is a good idea; I can see a number of situations where it could be used effectively. (i.e., getting a group to work together to get through a portcullis when you need to get through it in a hurry). But i hAve also seen situations where the skill challenges which have caused me enough frustration as to lose interest in the task. Unfortunately my memory fails me to offer a particular example from gameplay. But what i do remember is that people without a skill pertinent to the challenge were required to use a skill they were not good at, when others with more proficiency were denied the chance to use them. THAT makes no sense to me, and to impose those kinds of requirements and restrictions on players makes the game less fun for me. I understand why the rules were written as such, to encourage group activity, but where 4E fails me is it gets too abstract at times, in the name of fun; and that is what actually ruins the fun for me.

Like what Frank was talking about. I cannot see a skill challenge on a speak with dead. Only a few of us are able to use the ritual, and it seems logical that only a few skills would be applicable; diplomacy, bluff, maybe intimidation (though how do you intimidate someone who is already dead?) some kind of knowledge or history might also be applicable, but otherwise….

And then, to require everyone in the group to participate? Not all of us are good at those few skills, and those who arent would prefer that those who are good at them handle it, that is the logical way to proceed. But the rules are going to force someone to do something they are not good at, and if they fail (and especially if that failure leads to overall group failure at the challenge) that person is not going to be so happy about it. Anti-fun is what it is.

Personally, i think a skill challenge should be equivalent to some fraction of an encounter; have some number of skill challenges collectively be equivalent to one encounter. (Depending on the challenge itself, some might be so big and important as to warrant their own full encounter status, while others might be so trivial as to be worth almost nothing, except for whatever benefit is derived from success). The challenge should also be strictly voluntary, no forcing anyone to participate if they choose not to. Sometimes it is important and wise for one to sit back and let the experts work and stay out of their way.

I realize these skill challenges are most likely dictated by the module we are running through, so i am not blaming you scott. Once again, i feel the issue falls with 4E, and while i have seen a few interesting concepts and innovations in this version, i am none-the-less disappointed with the overall results.

well there are two essential parts to a skill challenge as laid out by the DMG – (3 if you count DC level). The first is the complexity level, the second is the level of the encounter… (this is in the XP awarding portion of the DMG if i recall corectly). The level should be related to the target of the ritual (IMHO). The complexity should be related to the relationship of the target. unfortunately I do not see a table for that in the DMG as in previous versions of D&D. In SW there are 5 levels of “attitude” towards PCs in skill challenges that are of a “social” nature. I’d apply similar “levels” to the complexity of the challenge… Hostile being he worst – hence the most complex, friendly being te easiest – least complex. The DCs should remain the same (as per the examples in the DMG for instence) but the numbner of failures befoe rsuccesses drastically changes based on the complexity.

However I’m back to talking about speak with dead as one example. In general I thin kthis stuff needs to be laid out as its not as simple as it looks. If for no other reason then it “looks” bad when you make things essentially impossible for no reason us a players can see. if there is a rule in place it takes that away.

in my previous post I did not mean to imply that you did not know the motivations etc of the NPC. again text is not the best way to have this conversation… I was using it as an example of how yo umay be preceived in the absence of a rule clearly defining how things “shoud” work.

Obvioously there are always the oddball circumstances that come up where the GM needs to wing it. that’s OK the first time but after that the rule needs to be written to avoid that in the future yaknow what I’m getitng at? that’s wha yI went to lengths with Bill about the stealth rule in SW… I thought it was totally unrealistic and wrote down how it was workign form then on… itlimited his characters abilities but didn’t eliminate them, but what it did was take the gray area out of my rulings. He may not have liked it but he was informed of how it worked (and didn’t) and adjusted his play accordingly. IMHO that’s how it supposed to go… that’s all – this isn’t even really a complaint – just an appeal for better documentation :D

Just for Kicks I went into the DMG to see what guidance is suggested for speak with dead skill challenges. I found one example – is that the one that you are going to use as a guide? If so then a speak with dead is a is a complexity 2 skill challenge with mostly moderate and easy DCs… but I’m sure not all scenarios are the same, how do YOU want to handle things where the skill challenges is higher or lower than the party level… What are the guidelines that determine the challenge level of the ritual? Its stuff like this that appears to be “F-it I don’t feel like telling the players this because its too much trouble to figure out what this bad-guy knows. so I’ll make it impossible” I’m not saying you do that – just saying that’s what it looks like… and feels like sitting on the other side of the DM screen.

But this really isn’t about speak with dead per se… its about when we are deviating form the rulesas written – or calrifying them writing it down so we know what rules we are playing by – that’s all I’m trying to get at. it removes the appearance of “bias”… I’m not saying that you are biased (referring back to a previous comment) just that wtih a rule in place there is no doubt.

I would be biased how?

As for the rule, it is in the DMG. When it comes up, I will certainly use what it has set forth as a guideline.

Remember, the books with rules in them, are merely guidelines and each DM will end up having his own ruling for each game…

Ahhhh…Speak with Dead. It is written in the ritual that at the GM’s option, it can be a skill challenge.

With enemies, who do NOT want to be spoken to by those who just killed them, or to yield any information, will need a skill challenge in order to wrangle info out of them.

The higher up the ranks the enemy is, the harder it will be to coax info out of him. I can put together what complexity each lvl creature would be, but would that be something each and every PC would know in-game? All you would know is that Joe Schmoe would likely talk, singing a canaries tune, but he may not know as much, and Master Boss is less likely to spill the beans, but would know alot more…

Anywhere from a complexity 1 to as high as deemed necessary for higher up enemies…
Hope this helps ;)

If you want to write/expand on the rule as written in the PHB, I will be glad to do so.

As for the charge, in the same move action, you couldn’t move back 1, then charge. First off, charge is a standard action, and thus each square must bring you closer. Secondly, to do like you want, you’d use a move action to move back 1, then your standard to charge.

Lastly, if you’ve already used your move action and are only 2 squares away from your target, you can’t charge (thus moving back 1, then charging).

D&D will only be a Hiatus. there are 3 adventures left in the Dawn of Defiance campaign. The first one that you will go on will be pretty short. I do not expect us to be playing all that long… a few months would be my guess.

I don’t see how this changes anything, just clarifies the existing rule.

We always need to move at least 2 squares…

Sliding back, changes nothing.

Fangrens power… Changes nothing, unless it moves past the ability for him to continue movement. technically the charge never fninshed with his power if he’s still in range he should be able to continue the charge.

And we can continue to disagree about the triggering of his power – the fact that charge is liste CLEARLY as a standard action and his power is a reaction the charge “should complete” before the reaction takes place. We discussed this at leangth last week and I still think your interpretation of Fangrens power is overly generous/ your interpretation of the Charge is overly harsh. but we can agree to disgree peacefully ;)

I was more thinking that a sub-campaign would be cool so that we could still use the same web pages etc. But if we need to make a secons one I guess that would be OK…

Is it possible to create a sub campaign? for example Od Skool Gamers has the SoW campaign and the DoD Campaign for when we get to Star Wars… IF not I may ahve to generate something since I like this game interaction between sessions. instead of Destiny points additional force points ro some other cool buff… I doubt I’ll generate the cool cards though…

3 most memorable

• the bluffing
• Gil going down every other hit
• Yamis making the dude firewalk

• INSANE amounts of damage to the party.
• Divine intervention of a sort
• “If you try to start that machine up before my friends get here we are going to have an issue…”

• McShane dropping into the pit wit the drakes
• Gil dropping into te pit wit the drake
• Sheldon dropping in to the pit with the drake
• Damakos wondering where in the hell his friends were as he and Yamis were geting their asses kicked…

My appologies to all for missing the session on the 13th. I had a broken tooth, giving me a lot of problems. Not just pain, but an infection, fever, and some slight blood poisoning. I got an emergency appointment monday and had it extracted, and am now feeling feeling much better. Looking forward to reading some posts and seeing what happened. BTW, Excellent tune, Bill. who did it?

you do know that the birdman is gonna turn out to be an avatar of some “concerned” divine power… Pelore perhaps… we’re (me specifically) gonna feel bad for treating him like idiot(s) when/if we ever figure that out…

I like the idea of the electronic (and therefore private) communications between DM and player. I would rather not however install any sort of chat program on my system. The good ole post-it note worked in the past, but everybody would know you were chatting with the DM about something.

I suggest gmail chat because it saves the conversation. I haven’t used it much, but it might even have the capability to chat with multiple people. Facebook is good, but I don’t think there’s a way to save what was written.

You are correct. It was meant to be +1 over level, so 2 at 1st lvl. Hoping to have some of these avail for play this Sunday…

YEAH FLYERS!!!

It does suck not being able to go back and edit. You can always copy/paste into a new comment and delete old one…

As for the cards, they will carry over from session to session, allowing you to accumulate them as you want. At any one time, you may have up to your chr’s level -1; example 6th lvl=5 cards.

There will actually be 3 tiers, although right now, there is only one tier 3 card. It’s a refresh of your Daily Power. 3 +1 cards to trade up to it sounds bout right. I will add a few more that are actual boons/buffs, so it’s just not a refresh of your Daily Power (which is a powerful hit & usually an effect upon hitting).

The Tier 2 cards are more powerful than the Tier 1 cards. Usually giving you a buff/boon for an encounter along with a card that refreshes your encounter power. In some instances, you may get a power to use, one time, like : Teleport up to 10 sqaures. If space if occupied, occupant teleports to square you vacated. Works on ally or enemy.

That’s just 1 example of a +2 card.

For the record though – I do not believe that needing to take an extended rest places you into the category of NOT being a hero… as has been implied. A dead hero isn’t much of a hero… the bad guys ALWAYS come into the fights fully prepared – that is the way they are written up… we need to be judicious with our resources, and sometimes through bad luck, bad tactics, or overly powerful encounters we need to use up our options… REST is the only recourse. You could cahnge that with some resource buffs in the cards… One that resets surges for the day sounds like a winner, another that allows you to reclaim a used daily could be another good one… Just sayin… Perhaps those are tier 2 cards…

WIth the extra time off now, this will provide ample time to finish up the rest of the cards and begin putting them into play when we get back to playing…

I will supply an outline as to how/when cards can be earned, keeping it as impartial & fair as I can. Mostly what we’ve discussed so far, will be implemented.

If u have ideas for buffs, resource boons, etc., for the various cards, plz post away. Try to be as specific as possible.

the reason I suggested things like good and bad skill rolls, having buffs actually “work” etc. is to counter balance the fact that the strikers wouold usually get the “kill”, but would almost never get the “buff”. If you’re worried about controllers create a few that they are “likely” to get.

Besides the stuff I mentioned were things I spent like 5 minutes typing out… I did not put a lot of thought into it really… just things that came to mind.

the things to remember are – make them oriented to how YOU want the game to go. make earning them impartial. Make the reward worth the “risk” incurred. For example, a single +1 bonus is not liekly to make me forgoe an extended rest where I could get 2 daily poweres recharged… just sayin… so to get the desired effect the reward needs to be “worth it”.

Also consider that the rewards do not have to be “buff” related. they could be resource related. Regain the use of a daily, or encounter power. Reset your (or an ally’s) surges. there are a TON of options. just make handing them out totally fair, and in line with how you want the game improved.

I cycled progression sounds nice (or those who favor random & chaos, top die roll). This puts the cards in the group on a fairly regular basis. I’m not sure I’m in favor of perm cards, but I do like your suggestion about making these an incentive to keep the story moving.

• 1st milestone =1 cards (cycled or top die roll)
• 2nd milestone =2 cards (cycled or top die roll)
• 3rd milestone =3 cards (cycled or top die roll) By the time the 3rd milestone comes, every player will have earned a card. The cycle would have to change so, if clockwise at table, it isn’t always Mike 1st and Frank last. I could assign a cycle each time when needed. This helps to keep the story moving and would entice you to NOT take extended rests as much, and thus, will make you do selfless acts and become the heroes you’re destined to be :)
• Story/Quest completion – When a major story goal is reached, each player will earn another reward card.
• Option to trade up to a rarer +2 card. Two +1’s for a +2 card.
• I like the idea of a ‘role playing’ moment where a card is instantly earned. Example-Mike last session, training the boys
• I also like the idea of rewarding a player (after the session) a reward card for stellar role-playing throughout the session.
• I don’t like the idea of a card for killing a boss. The boss could end up sniped near the end. It can’t auto go to the one who delivered the most damage either. That will always be your strikers. So, no reward cards for killing. The controller would end up punished on this end.
• Now a reward card could be given to the best tactician for that battle. Voted immediately by all of you, including my vote.
• Stylish maneuver could work, like swinging from a chandelier down into the fight…, but I’m not sold on this one.
• Posting on the blog would remain as is, but instead of a chip, you’ll get a Session Card, which will have a name change, such as a Fate or Destiny Card (I think some of you had some cool names for this…?)
• Don’t like the idea for good/bad skill rolls.

I’m not sure why I don’t like a permanent reward, but I can see your reasoning, Frank. Perhaps if a long term story goal is reached in the AP timeline and/or the group shows selfless acts in achieving said goals, I may arbitrarily award a perm card. Very possible. Like u said, I can state this before each adventure as to how you can earn a perm reward card.

Any other ideas?

You could go the other way here… or a combinaton of both.

Give them out repeatedly for at the table accomplishments. AND give them out for acheiving campaign milestones (not module). Use them to provide an OOC motivation for the players to do what you the DM wants us to do. FOr example we’ve just discussed that me (Frank) do not want to run through a module without taking several extended rests because its not beneficial for the character or group to do so – but may serve the “story”. If you as DM state before the adventure that a reward card is being given out (permenant) for accomplishing this adventure with only 3 (pick a reasonable number) extended rests during the adventure we as players might be motivated to do sometihng “less than optimal” for our characters to gain a long term benefit. Additonally you know the key plot points for the adeventure path – provide a permanent reward for the completion of them, by time X.

• Any time the entire table laughs at an in character Roleplaying moment.
• Any time player a “stylish” combat maneuver works.
• Defeating the “boss” of a fight…
• Any time a “buff” actually provides a benefit (they so often have no effect)
• Any spectacular failure of a skill check (natural 1)
• Any Spectacular success of a skill check (beats DC by 10+)
• 3 consecutive session Blog posts (reward card lasts for one session, may be saved but only one card ata time may be in posession from this)
• etc…

you get the idea. this incorporates the idea of permenant rewards ala the RPG with individual temps like you’re suggesting. However right out a rule list of when they are given. have the cards given out randomly (or perhaps in categories skill cards for skill type rewards etc) have the players roll to get the card… that kind of stuff…

Just a few semi-random thoughts on the subject.

Yes, I know about how they run the RPGA reward card system, having only done some research on. That is what got my wheels spinning about getting them into our game. They wouldn’t be permanent. They’d be earned, and spent, and re-earned. Perhaps you re-earn a new card w/ different effects.

I will obviously be eliminating the Quest & Race cards, as they would not apply. That still leaves about 25-30 usable reward cards. Plus, I’ve already been making a list of other cool effects that will be on my (actually Xavier’s) custom made cards.

Like I said, I have the 1st Xavier promo card done, printed, and kinda laminated. Bringing it Sunday.

I’m open to suggestions as to how to get the cards into your possession. Keeping in mind, you still get a Session Point for posting on the blog.

My 1st thoughts were to do a ballot for ‘best of’ category(s) & role-playing moments.

I am also thinking of perhaps ammending the current house rule for milestones, and instead give a card randomly to a couple players (die roll).

Open to any & all ideas really…

The RPG cards are for completeing quests/modules etc. (Usually at a convention or other special event) and are usually similar to the character getting an extra minor feat, or the ability to play a Race that other players do not have the ability to. My point is they are permanent things that are rewards for doing X,Y, & Z.

While in general I applaud the concept of providing incentive for contributing to the blog weekly, I do not think this way is the way to go.

I do kinda like the concept of having to spend you “buff” on another player… or perhaps a penalty to a badguy… but what to give the bonus for I’m not sure.

How to incentivize the blog posting without becoming “crazy”... need to think on it more.

Seriously. I’m not interested in voting and popularity contests…

I have a sample card. already modified somewhat, which I’ll bring over on Sunday. I think once you see the card first-hand, you will like it.

The benefits will be pretty diverse. Mike already mentioned some of the boons you can get (which already exist). Each card will help the player as well as helping another player. Benefits both ways.

The Session Point is going to stay, so no worries. The house rule for a SP, is that they cannot gain any buff. I will be enforcing this starting after the Easter break. The Reward cards will make their inaugural appearance as well.

As for scoring, I will keep track of some stuff, and my vote will count. Your vote will also count, so I think email ballot is best. This should add some energy and color to the game, so in the end, I don’t think this would be a mistake.

I’ve played in 3.5 games with almost the same exact thing and don’t really care for it. Take a vote and see what everyone wants to do. If the majority wants to do it, I’ll give it a go.

I like the idea of a closed ballot vote, they actually did that at the sparks games at gencon.

I would recommend a first and second place for “best player” (can include actual RP, tactician, etc.) To perhaps prevent the same person from getting it consitently week after week, you could rule that a person cannot take 1st place two weeks in a row, but is still eligible to win 2nd place.

I would NOT do one for die rolling streaks; GOOD die rolls are their own benefit.

A RP moment reward? perhaps, but keep in mind such an event will play heavy into the "end of session" ballot, and will likely lead to double rewards.

With the possible benefits of this, it is still possible that the same people might continue to gain these benefits consistently. The fact that they can only be played to help OTHER players is a good balancing point.

Perhaps, also consider, multiple players contributing various benefits at the same time on a player’s use of an action point. This could be allowed to help “accentuate” a dramatic point in a combat. (i.e., the boss is about to escape, sheldon dispatches his current foe, sees the boss ready to escape and expends an action point to shoot him. Other players play their benefits onto sheldon to help buff his attack. This would also require additional dramatic color from the DM).

My question, would these cards be only for the following session, or would they be in existence until used?

I would be inclined to say that the recipients should be those who participated, not given out randomly. You could conceivably just alter a session point so that it could be used; as an action point, or, as a +x bonus , or yadda yadda yadda…(player’s choice)

Could call it a “fortune card”, or “fortune point”...

I am considering adding another house rule which can offer a bonus to your character. As an extra incentive to make log posts and/or contribute to the blog (& campaign as a whole), I am trying to come up with a way where there are ‘Play Cards’ (I know sucky name, but that is what I’m calling it for now).

The play card can contain a bonus of +1 or +2 (maybe more in certain cases). These cards can be played any time after a D20 roll is made, but only one card can be played per die roll. Any player can use the card for an ally (not for themselves).

This idea is inspired by RPGA rules where they give out cards for various things, one them a + bonus card. My thoughts would be the card is earned by how many of the players post each week on the blog. If all 6 players post a blog, everyone earns a ‘play card’. Any less than 6 would equal half the ‘play cards’, randomly given to a player. Example-4 players post=2 cards to be given.

Others could be given out for good role-play.

If you have any suggestions on how these cards can be earned, plz post. Watcha think?

Your Old Head GM

They are in A-Z order now. Next to they’re name is what they are and/or perhaps where they are from. Look thru the list and see if it’s good.

Also, the NPC entries cannot be edited by any of the players, so if there is something I missed or forgot, post it here & I’ll make the changes accordingly.

You may also enter NPC’s yourself if u wish.

The NPC list would have to be converted over to the Wiki page so it can be edited. I’m still not seeing why you would want them organized by adventure (or how u met them). An A-Z listing should be sufficient, no? I’m sure most of you remember the NPC’s you’ve come across…Our minds are that fleeting yet. Are they? lol

Anyways, sure, it could be done, via the Wiki page, and broken into chapters, or adventures, or by order of appearance…whatever is wanted…

Ummm – Although I appreciate the updating of the NPCs you need to be careful about what is “known” and what is “theorized”.

‘ve looked at Modra just for kicks and a coupl of the items there are things that we “thought” mioght be true, but now I “know” to be true… For example “I” did nto know that he was the emissary. I suspected it “might” be true but it could also have been his “superior”. Just a thought for you… unless you’re trying to lead us a certain way by giving us that info as “fact” ;-) you sneak you…

It can be done, although I’d likely need Bill’s help to do it.

Added maps and pictures to the latest post… Scott gave me permission to extract the maps from the module… I did so carefully making sure I did not read any more the the title of the map… I have only extracted maps for locations we have already been, and looked no further into the module.

Frank

It seems to me that the “maps feature on the site kinda sucks… But Bill and Scott have mastered the art of embedding pictures to the posts. I was thiking that it would be kind of cool to embed the pictures of the “sites” for the writeups into the writeups themselves. All it would take is a bit of picture manipulation to crop out the other portions of the maps except for the rooms we are in… and taking out any DM only info from the map. If Scott needs a quick totorial how to get the maps from the mopdules I can show him from one of the star wars modules how I did it and removed all DM only info from maps… Its not that hard and since he is running out of the premade maps he will probably need to know how to do it anyway.

Also how come no new artwork in the latests several posts… we’ve had a month off nobody has had the time to add a couple of pics?

just a couple of random thoughts… Also looking forward to adding our Ranger to the group!

OK OK I missed the last name initial and that it was the other Matt…

Matt M (Not sure I ever knew your last name), if you want to join us your welcome, whenever your schedule permits. I spoke with Scott last night and he mentioned that you enjoyed our logs… I’m glad you liked them!

I hadn’t realized that his stopping play was an option after this little break. Althoguh I would not be surprised since that is exactly what happened with the Star Wars Campaign. Work just got him too busy… Hopefully the history will not repeat.

As for a reason to stay together… still not a reason really just we were the people with the information, and in the right spot at the right time. A reason unto itself really but can you keep that up ;) Its not like I’ve been promised the “riches” and “lands” etc. that are mentioned in the intro splash page ;) I have tried togive you a hook or two with Alyss and Jalissa. Perhaps somethign will evolve with one or both of them… the Clerics of Perlore looking to form a group of adventurers for their purposes has not been really relayed properly to the group and “rewards” have not been discussed at all. Perhaps the next time we are at the Cathedral a proper NPC encounter can lay it out for us ;-)

As it is now I think we are going to be motivated by our desire to not see everything we know be destroyed by Orc hordes… that should last a level ot two ;-)

I like that the writeups of the same session are subtely different form each persons perspective. the details change a bit but the general story is the same. I think it makes for a good “style”.

I as a player am asking you to please provide a reason other then it would be cool for us to go risk our lives toghetgher again for remaining a group… for us to remain a group would be sort of meta gaming as we don’t have a campaign without it, but I’d prefer s few in game motivations… its not about picking a name per se…

on another note – in the obsidian portal “location” for our group we’re playing in Maple Shade school… do you know how to enter a proper address into the system?

Frank

How about something simple like the “Bolsters of Brindol”, or “The Defenders”, or tertiary adjunct to unimatrix zero…

Personally I do not see why an ad-hoc group of guys that went out to rescue a few towns folk deserve a “name” yet. As far as we’re concerned trhis was a one time deal really… the story will dictate why we stay together aft4er this little “get to know each other” excusion…

Seriously GM – we need a “reason” to stay together after this other then “gee that was Fun lets see if we can get into more trouble…” Perhaps Brindol and the other towns of the Vale get together and decide that they need a more “official” group of problem solvers and use us as the initial memebers dubbing us “Defenders of the Vale”, perhaps with ranks, lands etc… “Perks” if you will… Just a thought… or two…

I’ve finally got adding pics all figured out. I’ve been adding pics I’ve had saved to your guys logs. Go back to the 1st logs and see what has been updated. If you have pics of your own, post them, or even add the same pics as I’ve already posted to your own (if I haven’t already). Since u guys post about the same session, but diff. POV’s, the pics are basically the same.

• Rivenroar Raiders
• Dawn Ways Shield
• Brindol Auxiliary Guard Detachment 501
• Ailenedigaeth y’cynghrair diemwnt <—>m sure we can think of something better than The Ruffians or The Slayers, etc.h5. Your title here…

Finally figured getting pics to show full size. Switched to using my photobucket account. I will be adding pics to all of the adventure logs. Should add a good bit of color. They say ‘a picture is worth a thousand words’, so…

Also, thx to Mike M for creating our new banner. Looks very cool.

...OMG…I HATE it when i’m right…

All options considered…with all due respect to your suggestion frank, and cringing at scott’s (lol jk), i still prefer “The Ruffians”....

...Pelor help us…..

...so the “Farstriders” sounds any better? Just about every group name i have heard for a dnd adventuring party had some corny ring to it. Admittedly, the Ruffians does sound like a 60’s b movie, so what? You know Scott is going to have the townsfolk lump some name onto us, because societal protocols call for it. Id rather have the choice of choosing that moniker ourselves, rather than have a less desireable one heaped onto us.

The Ruffians sounds like a bad ripoff of bad movie title. How about The long shots, or something that indicates we take oon stupidly dangerous things against all sense… that could also lend itself to the fairly funny/ironic conclusion thays we are a band of archers… without even one dedicated ranged attacker ;) Personally why we need a name I don’t really get, we just volunteeered to help the town in a moment of crisis… hey how a out “Crisis Managment”... an equally bad movie title rip off for sure…

Hete I vouched for Morrick… That shoud give him some chance of not being put to death…