Ship discussion
what kind of ship we buying?
did we decide on dolphin?
DM NOTES on the ship:
We have all the ship deck plans that were published available on Beyond The Moons.
You can remove any interior walls to create the deck plan you want, Cormac is a master of this. I will need to clear any pricing and availability issues, although by dealing directly with the Arcane a lot of that is no issue.
If you want to make a ship larger than standard size consult with me.
Also, notice that the rooms in stronghold builder’s guide are prices out with furniture and such already there. They also sometimes have staffing requirements.
Can’t wait to see what y’all come up with. Current favorite seem to be the Battle Dolphin so some quick notes about it:
There is a lot of blank space between decks. If you wanted to add another deck or two it it do-able, but it will require additional reinforcement to the hull. I’ll get you a price if you need it.
yes, the extra space was the first thing i noticed. i was thinking several small floors with secret doors for private work/religous areas. i need peoples wants, but i will create 6 of these rooms so all characters will have one.
Okay, I’ve looked at the dolphin plans and here is what I’ll allow.
Due to the odd shape it requires a lot of extra reinforcement. Not as much as show though. DM ruling is that you can add one floor between the Lower Cargo Deck and the Command Deck. It can be exactly the same size as the Command Deck without the external balconies and the Captains Quarters.
The rest of the space between existing decks is taken up with reinforced struts and such, making it effectively useless other than the occasional floor stash (no larger than a 5×5′ space, no more than two per deck).
Use standard stronghold space descriptions as listed in Stonghold Builder’s Guide as much as possible. Anything that deviates far beyond those let me know.
Battle Doplphin Hull Cost: * 75,000 gp before cost of stronghold spaces
Helm | Cost | Max Tonnage | TR
Minor Helm | 80,000 | 50 | 1/3 levels
Major Helm | 160,000 | 100 | 1/2 levels
Great Helm | 600,000 } 250 | 1/3 levels
The main thing Katya needs is a room to herself for her alchemical experiments and spells. It would probably need some kind of fire resistance to the walls, just in case things got a bit “explosive.”
Her own room for her and Omen would be nice as well, as her nightmares might be disturbing to others.
I haven’t had a chance to really look at a lot of other ships, but the Dolphin seemed like a pretty cool design to me.
the listing for the dolphin is 2 minor helms, the second for the shuttle. i do not know the diff in helms, or whether it can hold a bigger helm.
could you adjust this?: (you may need to cut from edit screen)
Battle Dolphin
Source: The Legend of Spelljammer: Captians and Ships
[ Deckplans ] Battle Dolphin Dolphin–Shuttle
Built By: Humans Humans
Used Primarily By: Any Race Any Race
Tonnage: 37 3
Cost: 49,950 gp 4,050 gp
Hit Dice: 37d10+85 (289 hp) 3d10+40 (57 hp)
Initiative: As the helmsman As the helmsman
Tactical Speed: 150 feet per TS of helm 150 feet per TS of helm
Tactical Maneuverability: Average Good
Armor Class: 15 (–8 size, +13 natural) 15 (–4 size, +9 natural)
Armament: 2 medium catapults None
(Crew 3 each)
Ship Modification: Increased Armor Increased Armor
(x3, equals +6 natural armor), (x1, equals +2 natural armor),
Reinforced Frame, Reinforced Landing (water), Sails
Hull (x5, equals +25 hit points),
Sails.
Crew: 10/37 1/3
Air Capacity: 4,144 man-days 336 man-days
Landing — Land: No No
Landing — Water: No Yes
Hardness: 5 5
Material: Wood Wood
Power Type: Minor Helm Minor Helm
Cargo: 9¼ tons 1 ton
Keel Length: 250 feet 40 feet
Beam Length: 30 feet 15 feet
and,
are we using pathfinder ship combat rules (and feats)? if so the AC is all futzed up above.
the catapults should be taking up more space, and can i add balistae with firing holes?
i like the whale ship. plenty of room. any objections?
Hmmn… by the description the Whale Ship is huge and isn’t very manuverable (uses guys on oars instead of sails). Lots of space, but not that great in combat unless you’re only going in one direction.
I liked how the Dolphin had the detachable gallion for worlds with water ports that don’t have Spelljammers, and how it has a raised upper “Surveilance Deck” where we can just send the Giff off the side like a cannonball into the other ships. ;)
I was going to perhaps suggest an Octopus… but then I found the deck plans for the one you made for the 7 Stars, lol.
What about an Illithid Dreadnaught, if we’re thinking big?
I took a look at the Stronghold Builder’s Guide, and these are the rooms that Katya would like to request if possible:
- Workplace (her art studio)
- Fancy Bedroom
- Fancy Alchemical Laboratory (for her and Hodekin)
- Fancy Library w/ book stack dedicated to Knowledge: Planes
- Fancy Magic Laboratory (for her and Hodekin)
I would suggest instead of a kitchen that we get a Fancy Tavern, as that way we can still get food and have a plentiful choice of alcohol.
i was looking at it with hody’s eyes, and the whale is the closest to what his life was like in sigil. i do not like the dolphin (but i will go with the group choice). i did like the small away ship, but any large ship can get one. and i want a bar. i was looking for a bird style ship, but was unsuccessful, although i could make one using the angel ship as a template, doubling its size and using the shipyard and the stronghold guide to price it. i was thinking a raven ship called “THE TASTY SNACK”…..
there is also a galleon that is pretty kewl
Shipyard stuff is not compatible with the stuff we are using. Use Stronghold Builder’s and left me know when you need pricing for things not in it.
Whaleship 3.5 stats (need to change over to Pathfinder)
Whaleship deckplans for Cormac to mess around with.
Whaleship Hull Cost: 120,000 gp before cost of stronghold spaces
Helm | Cost | Max Tonnage | TR
Minor Helm | 80,000 | 50 | 1/3 levels
Major Helm | 160,000 | 100 | 1/2 levels
Great Helm | 600,000 } 250 | 1/3 levels
